@GoldenPetriever I personally wouldn't complain, since you committed to the rules by joining the tourney. By making use of the rules, players can try to get the best out of the situation for themselfes (or worsen the other's). It is a strategic element.

I give you an example from OTB league play:

When you offer a draw (say we both have 2h left on our clocks), I can leave the table and let the clock run down to a few seconds and only then accept your draw offer.
This is not considered as bad behavior or anything like that. It is the (smart) use of the rules.

A typical way of dealing with your draw offer, for example in a league match, would be to wait for the outcome of my colleague's games and react to that afterwards by maybe declining your draw offer if tables turned for the team and I suddenly need to play for a (desperate) win...

And btw. "A totally losing" position by far not has to be as obvious to others than to you. There are lots of different level players on lichess.

Don't worry, be happy! ;)

@GoldenPetriever said in #7:
> When you are lost, you just resign. You should click this damn resign button. It exists because of a reason. Not resigning in a lost position, hoping for a disconnection, stalemate or flagging is disrespectful and bad behavior and constantly doing this online is not acceptable. Just accept you are lost and press the button.

Not up to you to decide when to give up, not up to arbiters, the player decides. Complain all you want, you have no authority over anyone. Thats how it is.

probably such behaviors are done to demotivate you, @GoldenPetriever?

@nadjarostowa said in #10:
> I mean when you are in a team battle and fighting for the top spots or to stay in the league, it would be silly to award a direct opponent some more points.
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> Not that on chess.com the incentive to just stall a lost game at the end is much higher then on lichess. Chess.com simply aborts the game at the end of the tournament, so no rating adjustment is done. On lichess the games are played and rated, just do not count for the tournament standings.
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> But it would have been nice to mention that your bad experience comes from chess.com and not from lichess, especially when using lichess' forums for your rant.

I find this logic appalling. When you have a completely lost position the only fair thing to do is to resign. Stalling and waiting for the tournament to end and similar is very disrespectful towards your opponent.

I will not argue with that. It's simply something I learned by observation pretty early on in team battles.

But then one might say that the opponent did not manage to win the game in time, and just resigning would give them an unfair edge not only over you but also everybody else. And it's not like you're lost with 8 minutes on your clock and do nothing. In your last round, you don't play only against the game clock, but also against the tournament clock.

It's basically what we can observe when there's some online championship where they play x minutes of rapid, then y minutes of blitz, then z minutes of bullet. When the time starts to run out, you can control if you want to play another game. Most people hate it, but everyone agrees it's fair and part of the competition.

@nadjarostowa said in #15:
> I will not argue with that. It's simply something I learned by observation pretty early on in team battles.
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> But then one might say that the opponent did not manage to win the game in time, and just resigning would give them an unfair edge not only over you but also everybody else. And it's not like you're lost with 8 minutes on your clock and do nothing. In your last round, you don't play only against the game clock, but also against the tournament clock.
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> It's basically what we can observe when there's some online championship where they play x minutes of rapid, then y minutes of blitz, then z minutes of bullet. When the time starts to run out, you can control if you want to play another game. Most people hate it, but everyone agrees it's fair and part of the competition.

I had people stalling for more than 3 minutes in a lost position waiting for the tournament to wait. I don't understand what exactly do you mean by unfair edge over everybody else!? How exactly? It's not like during the tournament people are doing this, most people resign when they are completely lost or at least move quickly.
Yes, that happens in some online championships but not everybody does it, I've seen players not doing it and in my opinion a format which encourages such behavior is not good.

Well "unfair" may be the wrong word, as both waiting and resigning is within the rules.

My point is, your decision will influence the ranking of the teams or players. Your decision will favour one or another. And it will be hard to draw a line - do I need to resign within the last second? Within the last 5 seconds? 10? Nobody can answer this.

It's not too dissimilar to bughouse games, where one game suddenly stops playing because they would immediately get checkmated, and the clock situation determines the game. A very common occurrance.

I totally see how one can dislike this (and I am not the biggest fan of it either), but I think it is inherent to this type of tournament, and one simply has to accept it. If it is within the rules to do so, we cannot fault anybody to make the best of them to reach their results. It is very different from stalling in a free game, where you just annoy your opponent.

It has a clear purpose, is within the rules, and the game will probably be resigned right after the tournament finishes. And you would most likely not be able to play (let alone win) another game within the tournament anyway.

Calling "appalling" what is fair use of the rules of the competition I found a bit too harsh.